Bladder Medication

I am tentatively planning to start cathing my 4 yr old daughter for continence reasons in 4 months. The first 2 months will be unmedicated and we plan to introduce bladder meds in 6 months. I spoke with her urologist and he basically said he is open to anything: patches, medication directly into bladder, whatever medicine I want–including a new one on the market called Mirabegron. While I really appreciate his flexibility, I’m a little overwhelmed at deciding what is best. Since we aren’t cathing for medical reasons, I really just want the least invasive medication. I was pretty set on meds directly into bladder until several parents said that this method is much harder to do when you are away from the house, involved meds 3 times daily, as opposed to just swallowing one pill and I want to really consider standard of living as well.I would love to try something herbal but feel like I would really want to do that under the supervision of a urologist that is familiar with it. Belladonna makes me nervous because my nutritionist who is pretty open to most things was very opposed to it (merit, he isn’t a urologist). TSpar, did your urologist mention any other herbs other than Belladonna? When do you consult with him again–not until you are ready to start cathing? Anyone else using a bladder med that they are happy with and has less side effects?

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  • I’ve done more research since talking to both NDs about Belladonna. Belladonna only appears to be sold in homeopathic form, probably due to it’s poisonous nature. The homeopathic form wouldn’t have any of the poisonous compounds at all. So that made sense to me. I haven’t asked Dr. Yarnell or my ND specifically, but a homeopathic belladonna product would be the first thing I would try. I found this one in particular:

    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-homeopathy-urinary-incontinence-relief-100-tabs

    I don’t understand *HOW* homeopathic products work, but I have experienced their results. I’ve used a lot of them, but my most dramatic experiences have been with Apis when used during an allergic reaction. Truly remarkable!

    So on the one hand, I feel completely confused on how a product could work when it doesn’t really have any of the actual ingredients (thus being safe for belladonna), but on the other hand they are hugely popular products that really seem to work.

    The Swanson product is cheap, safe and it certainly couldn’t hurt.

    Just my thoughts πŸ™‚

    • I am very curious if you tried that product from Swanson, or if anyone has.

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      I will post an intro soon!

      • Hey Denise, still waiting on that intro! πŸ˜‰

        I would love to talk bladder meds with you. I wish my daughter was older so that I could start experimenting, but I wouldn’t know if they are working or not, so I am waiting to do a true experiment when I can use cathing or potty training or diagnostics to be able to gauge the results.

    • Yeah!!! So glad you are here!!!

      Regarding the Swanson product – not that I know of. Funny you ask because I found another interesting bladder product today in the office of our Bowen therapist.

      Is your little one on oxy/ditro?

      Just out of curiosity, how did you find us? The site exploded today with new members & new email subscriptions. Was it posted somewhere?

  • By the way, I totally feel your pain on this. How great that your doctor is so open to anything!!! But how scary that your doctor is leaving the decision up to you!!!

  • I just reread your post. Yarnell did not mention anything else and I have no plans to see him again until things change. I could try emailing him if you wanted to give me a list of questions.

  • Thanks, that was helpful! Like I told you before, the cough medicine I give my son has Belladonna so clearly there are safe forms, so the homeopathic version makes a lot of sense. I will def. look more into it! If you were to email Yarnell (don’t do so on my account but if you happen to in the future), I would be most interested what kind of Belladonna he would recommend–like would he approve of the version you linked?

  • The more I read about it, I would be shocked if the belladonna in your cough medicine wasn’t also homeopathic. Does it have a number letter combination after it like 3X or 30C?

    I’ve done some more reading and there are two other kinds of natural products that address urinary incontience in general – herbal blends & Chinese herbal blends.

    I spent a good amount of time reading some articles on LEF (Life Extension Foundation). I love this company and have used many of their products for years.

    Here is a 3 page article on their Chinese herb product:
    http://www.lef.org/Magazine/2004/1/report_female/Page-01

    And here is their article on pumpkin seed extract:

    http://www.lef.org//Magazine/2008/11/Pumpkin-Seed-Relieves-Overactive-Bladder-Urinary-Incontinence/Page-01

    But there are tons of other sites that have products with either homeopathic combinations, Western herbal combinations and Chinese herbal combinations.

    The studies cited in the LEF articles showed significant improvement in general incontience, but would that work for neurogenic bladder? I have no idea.

  • Yes, you’re right, the cough medicine says “3C”.

    I briefly read over the chinese medicine article and it makes a lot of sense to me. The concept increasing circulation and overall body healing seems similar in concept to the Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan we already give her. I fear that herbs that help women who only suffer from some urinary problems wouldn’t be strong enough for a neurogenic bladder–but I guess, bladder meds in general are designed for the older population. Another concern is giving her anything that effects hormones (like the pumpkin seed soy) since we have to be careful about early puberty.

    Thanks for the articles and insight–keep them coming–I’ve got a lot of research to do!

  • In Googling pumpkin seed and neurogenic bladder I found a FB page dedicated to Neurogenic Bladder. I messaged the owner some questions. She mentions pumpkin seed specifically in one post. I will report back with her response. Here is the page:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Neurogenic-Bladder-Problems/168442133184362?sk=timeline

  • I sent an email to both Yarnell and Dr. Geo, the NYC Naturopathic Urologist (who is also a licensed acupuncturist).

    Yarnell responded that he is in Nicaragua on a medical mission, but will respond once he returns to the states on the 15th.

    I asked them both about pumpkin seed & belladonna and other possibilities??? And I asked about your concern about soy & premature puberty.

    I really hope to hear back from both of them.

  • Thanks so much for emailing them! I really hope they respond too!

  • I just got an email from Dr. Yarnell. He says:

    Ok I’m back and getting caught up. I usually charge $195/hour so that is prorated to the length of a phone call, and do offer a sliding scale (pay what you can afford, minimum $20). I was recommending using belladonna tincture not homeopathic (they are not interchangeable and if anything are actually used in opposite ways). The pumpkin is completely safe and worth trying, I don’t know if it will work or not. Sufficiently low doses of the soy isoflavones would be safe.

    Using belladonna guided and monitored by a physician who has experience with it is different than just winging it. And this herb is safer than the drugs such as oxybutynin which are essentially synthetic versions of a compound in belladonna (atropine). Belladonna can be harmful used improperly, and can be completely safe used properly.

    I am leaving again Mar 24-April 2 for a final big trip of the school year and then I’m back until July. Let me know if you want to work out a time for a phone call, which could be as brief as 15 min.

  • That is helpful. I still feel unsure and the idea of figuring out the dosage by watching the eyes dilate seems worrisome to me but I think really I just need to book a phone conference with Dr. Y. I’m sure it would be very informative regardless of what we decide. I would doubt that he gives all his patients belldonna so I’m curious which of the main stream drugs he thinks is safest. Maybe he only does belladonna? Thanks so much for emailing him! If we decide to do a phone conference, I will be sure to update!

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